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he has always been that way. it pays to focus on what bill gates and doing now, he is on a spending mission, he leaves little doubt about what he thinks of repubcan mission and their drive to cool it on the spending without thinking about results, his biggest fear, congress cutting foreign aid. the man said that foreign raid does a lot of good for the planet. to gauge the more good than bad without a doubt, that is why the guy, he was in washington today pushing hard. urging freshmen lawmakers not to give up the fight or spending on those 2 need the help -- who need the help the most, tonight. decide whether a man can or should stop congress from

closing some spending doors, perhaps of all of the interviews i've done with bill gates over the years from earliest days at microsoft or before he became the power house to keeping his juggernaut going once it was a power house to going full time in charity business, this day is for me the most meaningful and consequential, not because of anything i asked of mr. gates but the very words i heard, a clear mission defined by mr. gates, he is worried, he is darn near panicked or as panicked as a stoic billionaire can get, that a lot of good we do is threatened by a paralyzed washington, his primary target, foreign aid, his other targets, maybe ron paul. or rand paul. or john boehner or any of the

host of republicans or others who cticize our giving 250 billion to muslim brotherhood and used it has an excuse to given on foreign aid altogether, today gates fires back. >> firstly, a lot of foreign aid was not -- it had goals for example keeping -- in the cold war, sending money to people on our side very their side. you know that is what it was about. now aday its has become metric driven. can you take cheap vaccis and save lives for under 1% of what we spend to save lives here. by saving no lives, you avoid the kind of population growth and instability that's lead to huge national security issues. countries like nigeria, yemen, if we let them triple in population because we don't help in health issues we'll have huge

costs and instability, the humanitari in the national security argument really point tohis, one of the more measured more clear parts of the inter budget. neil: you would draw a line between that aid and the money that was committed, i know you met with secretary of state john kerry, 250 million are in muslim brotherhood nerc script. republicanin egypt, republicans are criticizing that saying we don't know if that is more money after bad. >> once you get into countries that are a little better off. the complexity of how do they view their relationship with the u.s., are we so entangled with the previous regime, those are is our foundation is not experted in, what we're focused on and we're chose don't take the money i have, and the money

warren buffet given and work in the same type global health airs, aides, maliaria -- aids and malaria and vaccines for children, that is why we say, y wow this is so wonderful that we'll take our own money, and join in on polio eradication overtime, and be a partner with u.s. government in some unbelievable programs that i get to go and see on a regular basis. neil: your money, appears to be impacts ars, but, the u.s. track record on this is dicey, even more globally, effort after disasters, calls into question whether money ever gets to right recipients, haiti earthquake some years back is used as an example of, two billion raised

by government, and private enterprises some concerts and the like, i was in haiti, unless i missed something it is a disaster. and rifeith poverty and famine and abuse as it ever was. that is what worries me, when you mention i just' to folllw-up, you wrote, today, the number of children who are dying every year has been from 20 million to fewer tha 8 million, those in ex trem poverty has been cut in half, i do see examples where it not the case. >> well wait, you should have gone to haiti before the earthquake. >> i did. >> haiti, was a very tough place before the earthquake. >> absolutely. >> and a lot of that money did not get spent, a got did get spend to restore things bk to the situation. you know there you are just making up for a huge setback, in

terms of health, whereas you get families to be more healthy they choose to have less children, and population growth goes down, there the numbers could not be clearer, my moneyhat goes into aids in same pot as u.s. money, it is a fairly small percentage. the money from foundation that goes after vaccines in partnership with u.s. government, it is under the bush administration that global health peace went from a tiny part of the aid bget to over half now, aids, and neglected diseases that half which is part we work in have expertise on, that part il vouch for, because we're in there, looking at the numbers all of the time. i think very smart folks, if they want to give money, to any charitable afford would right away give it to you, and right away through your foundation, because, to put this crassly,

you get badge for the buck, warren buffet, a fan of higher taxes on upper income, and government doing more and spending more when he had his druthers he hose to commit whatever money he has, before it goes to you and to you and the foundation and not to u.s. government. >> tells you we have 3 sectors, prive sector that biggest. and it phenomenal, anything it could do in terms of the diseases of the rich, the needs of people who can pay it is fantastic, then you have some things like education, justice, where government comes, and helping poor country, philanthropy is only a few percent as big as other sector but they are more willing to take out more far outsidence and new delivery programs there is a commentary rule we're taking your scientists and our

expertise, and talks about government programs about what we know and where we have a common view, i'm the biggest fan of philanthropy, because it is almost like the venture capital of societal spending, sometimes you take on things like trying to get teacher to have more feedback and raise average quality, those programs might or might not succeed, this is not the typical thing a government would do, i love all 3 sectors, iin an aprop an appropriate rol. neil: i found it intesting that advocate, someone who urged government to do more, snd more, and believes that witch should pay more, when he had his druthers of committing more money to government, to pursue the goals or you and melinda he chose you and melinda. >> we need to fund whatever

activities we think that government should do, we have the gap there, and question the how to close that gap, we would like to encourage more philanthropy my view is it, fun it has a good impact. each one of these sectors has you know got to wake up do better every day, for the government, how do you balance the budget is one of those big challenges, and you know everyone has opinions about that one. il: indeed you are right, if i could go back to philanthropy itself, and whether or not this hier tax environment, a lot of worries, i have a few charitable foundations myself, knoll like you, mill -- nothing like you, bill, one worry we have whether we get an impact of rich paying more taxes less in contributions, do you worry about that? >> well, the philanthropy is very important.

the u.s. is very unique in not only the scale of philanthropy but the breadth. it is not just the richest, who give to philanthropy in some ways, it is more impressive that the nonrich are so generous in this country, if you look at it state by state, utah stands out 5% of income given to where more like 2% elsewhere, this is a broad movement, we have very good ngos, if you -- there could be some cutbacks because it is deductible, you don't want to run tax rating up unnecessarily, you top find a balance, if they are important programs okay then have you so pay for them, at some point. neil: right, you think we got that proper balance now with the recent increases ? >> no, i think the we're running

a higher deficit, be that we would like to long run, there is a important argument about given the shakiness of the economy how do you phase in the that balance, in a sense you can think of deficit as a stimulus to the economy, do we need that level of stimulus, the big long runnthing, are the medical costs, and you know, ideal would be not to argue abo whether the citizen pays foreovernment pays but how do you get the increasing to be more in line wi the growth of the economy which they no s have not been, e there things that could be done to get more innovation on cost reduction, there i think, you know we have not seen enough thinking and you know certainly what i see about medical stuff, in poor countries is suggestive

that efficiency side would be ideal, because then it is not zero sum between citizen versus government. neil: do you ever envision going back to microsoft in a more active day-to-day management roller is the foundation and its responsibilities enough t keep you jazzed and going for the rest of your life? >> well, i certainly miss being full time, i spend about 15% of my time on it, but my full time commitment, is to the foundation. polio eradication, i spend a majority of high time o -- of my time o that, by 2018 we'll be able to get that done, then malaria, and tuberculosis. get the child head death rate down. neil: john hutchens sr., i think yourriend warren bes warrenuffed

their goal is to essentially die broke, give it all away, i wonder, with your these -- your children, that is youroal too. >> we have talked to kids that vast majority of wealth is going to the foundation, in warn's case all of his money is spent within 1 years after his death, it will be in foundations, but even there off to spend it down, our foundation and his children's foundations, our fun doing ifoundation, after melindi are gone our foundation will spend its money within 20 years, and our kids are excited about the foundation, they get a great college e education and some support, they are lucky. neil: they are set for life, do they have to worry? >> not at all, i think if you get up to gigantic levels, you know giving a kid hundreds of

millions or billions that is not good for the kid or society. neil: i always wonder, the kids might disagree. anyway, listen up, did the guy with the nation's thickest -- signal he wants washington to go into your wallet? the spending push that has one ron alec, for this mission i upgraded your smart phone. ♪ right. but the most important feature of all is... the capital one purchaseraser. i can redeem the double miles i earned with my venture card to erase recent travel purchases. d with a few clicks, this mission never happened. uh, what's this button do? [ electricity zaps ]

♪ you requested backup? yes. yes i did. what's in your wallet? neil: a fox business, i don't know charm alarm, president obama taking his charm offenses to capital again, are there of the folks he is glad handing remotely budging? democrats still demand more tax hikes, and republicans more spending cut, bill gates tells me, it will not be up to them but up to us. neil: both side revisiting all of the sacred cows, including

chaicharitable deduct, whetherr3 limited or capped, does that worry you. >> i wonder if the machine public is ready to give up the deducts, the mort gang interest, and state income tax, and charitable, i wonder when people talk about lowers rating and gets rid of 4 trillion deductions, if that is realistic. you know i think you can build a new system, it would be very unfortunate if it cutback charitable giving, every other country that i go to is envious, and wants this the nonprofits step in, they do things in very innovative ways and other countries are trying to get what magically we have. neil: you seem to be impressed more with foreigners or what they are doing, maybe -- slightly better.

you mentioned, the other day talking about england, you wish that we could be more like them, i'm sort of paraphrasing, so that president might have more power, and more sig lar discruising and -- singular control and discretion, what were you saying there? >> okay. the u.s. system over last several hundred red year hassan whiteside done the guest of -- years has done the best of any syst, we have to think twice before we tinker with it, right now it is not making decisions that lead to the government knowing what the budgets will be, it is not a great situation right now. so i was saying i like a tiny bitten viious enviously at the parliament system like the u.k., you o

you know that just me, looking at it. neil: now they deal with a recession, it cuts both ways. >> i'm not saying -- >> you favor their approach to government than ours ? >> i'm hoping that our system, doesn't end u in deadline. and -- >> it is that is what bothers. >> you their design, actually avoids deadlock better, but since i'm not an expert in the area, i'm just saying, hey, our system is always found its way back to the center. back to function. i'm hoping that takes place in areas i know education and foreign aid i'm a little bit concerned. anas we make trade offs hopefully we're not cutting things that have great humanitarian and security benefits. neil: you know i was reading through what you are pursuing these days, not onl foreign aid issue, but relaxed immigration

policy more green energy, and increased spending on energy, period. advance education technology. that has been certainly, a very big heartfelt goal of yours, i'm reading it say, that is the administration's agenda, by and large. so, i guess, and i -- is it fair to say, you like the obama agenda more than you like the republican's agenda because the@ are again almost av u all of th? >> no, in the area of education, i think actual that's is one of the more bipartisan areas right now than most others, the idea that teachers need feedback, and that we need to bring technology because the coasts are o of control, i think we're make progress in that because it is not that partisan, everyone wants great education. if you look at things like the aids program that gam came in wh

the bush administration, that is bipartisan, despite the numeric challenge, i don't think that anybody wants to take aids drugs away from people in energ i wish we could shift some of the subsidies for any form of energy, and increase research. and i don't think that is a democrat versus republican issue, american research, seriousness about research, and healthy and energy if we come up with a right energy thing, then you -- you -- if its cheap enough you get rid of subcides that is where the huge costs come in. so, you know the push i made for energy research that was bipartisan, i am more a technocrat, given a certain aim of money, tonight make sure that it is spend well, and science and know no vague are considered -- innovation are considered in those policies i'm hopeful we

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>> i really wonder if the american public is ready to give up the main deducts, mortgage interest, and state income tax, and charitable deducts. you know. i wonder if that is realistic. neil: i think he is right about that.

this stuff is easier said than done, bill gates is worried that people will not give up sacred carcows, to uber investor bob wy bill might have a point, and democrat -- why bill on the women side to make thawrongside. >> he said his views are more in line with president. by and large sides with democrats. he is right, about the notion that everyone is for cutting except their stuff. >> there is no question, it will be tough to put any set of proposals to the table that would make middle class americans give up their tax deducts, if i could go for one second that bill gate talked

about, the important of education policy, i wish bill gate would spend more time for taking democrati party to the allegiance to teacher union, right now biggest impediment to reform that bill gates says he wants, it hardly republicans it is the teachers unions who have lock hold on the republican party in a lot of case, and have the ability -- democratic party rather, have ability to finance their campaigns and put out field workers, the democratic party inability to be more forceful is connected to the ali allegiance to the teacher union, i wish, people like bill gates would spend as much time taking democratic party to task.

neil: the point to make with you bob, is, it is very tough to talk about reining in excessive taxation when some of the world's richest guys like bill gates and warren buffet are advocates for it and say it makes sense, and less inclined to go after spending. bill gates does not say this out right, he was among supporter for raising taxes and t like, buzz know that come little bit -- doe't that complicate things, and make it tougher? >> no question about it there the two of them in a rarefied atmosphere that the rest of us are nowhere close. neil: you are. you are modest bu you are. >> a lot of what they have is wealth, not necessarily income. maybe they get income off their

investments but of their investment in a foundation that is not subject to taxation. so, what is it we're talking about here? it is income tax? wealth tax? i think if take eps were turned and it was -- tables were turned it was all of a sudden about wealth tax they would have a problem. we have to go back to defining our terms, i think all of these things individually are hard to talk about, it has to be part of okay could if i'm going to give you two nickles, what two nickles are you going to give up. that is the only way we'll get there, a hard road t hoi, our problems is over spending. >> you know, conessman, n't it time republicans and democrats hold hands jump off the cliff together, and deal with their sacred cow whether it is republicans with defense, likes of senator coburn and

others or democrats and en titanium am as nancy pelosi and harry reid have not is there bit of a need for risk taking on both parties part and we're not seeing that. >> there has to be risk taking on spending side. too much of this conversation right now is about taxes, right now it is about what taxes we raise. well we just raised taxes 4 months ago it still uncertain what the impact of that will be, we have to move this conversation beyond white sox whose taxes do we raise to what serious spending cuts we put in place, you right about entitlement. the way we finance entitlement is not progressive right now, democrats out to be upset about, that mt people get more money back in medicare than they put in as we know wealthy people get benefits they do not need, same

for social security, conservatives and liberals should have a bipartisan stake. neil: if wall street saw a planned budget, as president said, you know, in and of ielf is not a goal. even if it were achieverred by tax hikes additional ones on the way. would wall street be ticked off would stocks sell-off? >> a tax increase to close the budget gap would be a disaster for our economy. that does not mean we cannot why more revenue enhance the, the congressman has it right, there are nickles and dimes but real dollars in program that are growing high single digit low double digits regardless of the economy. they happen to be medicare, medicaid and social security. until we go after them, we are not serious about fixing our problem, period. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> one of former ceo with a

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>> i'm a bit concerned about uncertainty, as we make trade offs hopeeully, we are not

cutting benefits. neil: bill gates, all for foreign aid, and ron paul all out on spol b stopping foreign . ngressman thank you for joining us. even outweighing abuse and waste that comes with, that what do you say? >> well, i say instead of what? if you cut out war mongering and cu some of deficit down, and gave some away with humanitarian reasons i'm not going to fight it, even though i do not have confidence in that, i think foreign aid too often gets in the hands of the ipo will -- hands of the ipo will tigs and thepoliticians.we never talk any cos from. you know you take a bill gates, he has a lot of money in his foundation but he does not get

xed on that. poor people get taxed whether inflation tax or income tax or whatever. and so they end up paying, my argument for foreign aid you take money from poor people here and it ends up in pockets of rich people in poor country. neil: he is getting beyond that, i am paraphrasing, for all waste abuse and sometimes getting into wrong hand, and sometimes no hand we still have since foreign aid started here, fewer starving people, more educated people, across the globe, that he said is a testament to a generous americans over the years, who money has been put to more goodthan harm, what say you? >> well, that is an opinion, i don't happen to agree with it, there are other things that happen in e world, economies do change, the soviet system had

a lot to do with increasing prosperity, if it was prosperity we have to concentrate on we might think of new york city right now, i mean 50,000 people, sleeping out on the streets, every night, while the rich get rich fieldser? 8 sorry -- rich get richer? i didn't believe it but statistics say 80% of those graduate high school in new york city cannot read. why -- why d we have to gamble on ting money from people, and going overseas, i do put it in perspective, instead of what? if you can save money by cutting out you know, drone missiles looking for trouble, bombing people invading countries fighting useless wars like iraq and afghanistan. i would say, yeah, i mean save some money, cutback to the deficit, and try the humanitarian thing, that would be much better. but i still do not endorse it morally, and i do not believe it

is practical, but in the -- since i'm a practical guy, and i'm willing to bend a little bit, i would say do that but justice take more money from poor people or en little bit the currency you are -- inflate the currency you are undermining production and you have more people sleeping on streets in new york. >> ron paul thank you. >> thank you. neil: scott brown has been watching a lot of chat with merare hear gates he heard -- with mr. gates he heard this and went through the roof. >> i am hoping your system does not en up in deadlock. >> great scott. scott said bill has got it, that very comment proved it. wouldn't you know in 2 mun its former senator will be all over it and bill. it and bill. why gotcha ! got you ! you cannot escape the rebel forces ! ahhh. got you ! got ya !

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plan the budget in a number of decades, you can't do it in one decade, not after what we've been through. neil: wow, decades to get spending under control? forget bill and nancy, listen to scott, he said we're running out of money, and time. talking about not able to do this decades. he is? london. former senator, find fox crist fox contributor, what did you make of that? >> that is nancy being nancy, saying stuff like we have to pass a bill before we even know what is in it. this senses a terrible message for people, in the world who are looking for elected officials to -- president and both house and senate to make the tough decisions, that is why they were sent to washington to make the

tough decisions, and they are not doing it, they are avoiding it, this is very frustrating. neil: i wonder if they see a reason to do anything tough. president said to george stephanopolous. this thing about balances a budget in 10 years, come on, cool it, and nancy pelosi said decades, and you have before that, president saying we don't have a spending problem. harry reid saying leave a lot of entitlements off the table. you begin to wonder if they see what you see, if they don't see what you see, what do you see for the future of our country? >> i'm concerned, i went to u.s. senate 11.95 trillion national det it is up to 16.8 trillion and rising with no end in sight site. to think we can't get through sequestration and get through that in a thoughtful judicous

money, with president getting in transfers authority, we need leadership, we needoth parties to get together, there needs to be a bipartisan. neil: you know you are in london right now, that had me thinking about something else that bill gates said. about wanting a parliamentary system like wt they have in england the leaders, in this case president obama could push through his agenda without having to be annoyed with the pests in congress. at least this way, if you don't have gridlock, you don't have a deadlock, you say that sometimes deadlock and gridlock or whatever is better than president who would get his entire way? >> well, we live in america.

if we wants to come here and live, then you know it is right here, he come any time, we're americans first. we have a gat country. i think the greatest in the world. in democracy is messy, sometimes gridlock is a product of democracy, at times gridlock is a necessity that slows things down that is what your founding fathers wanted, they wanted that check and balance. neil: slowing down is one thing, but bill gates is saying it -- stop. >> the way things are right now, extreme on left and right, and fill lure to want to cooperate and find this middle ground and put our country first versus political patterson interest. -- partisan interest. i am rooting for our country first, it is time on both sides, including president to start to lead instead of hammering the

republicans as he was the last month and a half how leaching reaching out with an olive branch, there is a real trust issue, my colleagues are concerned is this just a smoke and mirror thing, where he will say, well, you know i tried but those darn republicans that's don't do anything, but is there truly an effort. we need help, the world is looking for us to be leaders if we do this right we come out lean, mean and better off. neil: all right, i'll for give the lean and mean remark, because you are not here with me. senator always a pressure thank you. scott brown. >> thank you very much. neil: in merry olde old england. have you wonders if bill gates secretly loves apple's fall from grace. >> apple is reeling almost

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neil: tonight, apple could be in a whole galaxy of hours, samsung galaxy that is. anything but a party for apple. left you think the party is over for apple, take it from another apple riflapp rival who said no.

>> apple is a incredible company, microsoft is an incredible company, the work giving consumers unbelieveable tools with voice recognition, and that is a cool sector of the economy. and you know only reason i don't feel bad about not being there full time is the philanthropy stuff is equalliy exciting. neil: but i guess it serves as a reminder in technology world, is tough to stay on top. or be everyone's tech favorite. i don't know whether automatic replacement for apple samsung, but i want to ask you about microsoft and windows 8, come to mixed reviews. what do you think of windows 8? you've seen the product. what do you think? >> well, i'm biassed. i love windows 8, i use it all

of the time. it is actually really taking off right now, looking at volume the of download and store and number of machines coming in on the touch, have you touch as well, not just the mouse, we have a lot of devices with benefit of tablet but also benefits of pc. and so it has taken time to get the applications done, it got launched about 5 months ago, and this is a huge jeer for windows -- year for window 8. neil: you d't find the launch disapointing and progress and sales disappointing ? >> not at all. neil: and reaction to the surface. both first incarnation now the windows pro. >> we had very limited distribution, only a month ago we opened up to other stores, first store we were doing fine,

only through broad distribution you will caesarious numbers, over the next year it will sell millions, this is an important product for microsoft, you know, i think that the en no vague there --nnovation, has anyone said i'll take my tablet or pc what we have answers that with a single fantastic device. >> all right we shall see, but there is no doubting that at this hour microsoft and now apple have lost some luster, former microsoft ceo, said that apple era contrary to what his foer boss used to say could be winding down, bob he does not seem too worried f apple or microsoft, but, clearly, the luster is off both, to the point of late, apple. a lot. the stock is down close to 300-dollars from all-time high, something is going on. >> well, i think you are right.

in my estimation they lost a visiovisionary leadership, let'e it steve jobs was a once in a century kind of character, if you look at last several months of apple. you know since september it hit 700 a share weaker had the mapping prob --e had the mapping problem, they replaced it with google, they got problem is samsung big time. seven days after they launched the iphone 5, there was samsung with the best piece of television ever ties in last 12 months, so, where they had lineup of kids waiting for iphone, and one samsung customer in the line, buddies walk up to him, say what are you doing there he said i'm holding the place for my mom. >> turning whole coolness thing on its head.

you are right, you remind me you know, fame can be fleeting. technology pross can be fleeting. one time aol was the technology dejury, so that is nature of your business, i'm looking at what has been going on with apple. and you know companies don't seem to stay on top or indispute able champs for long circumstance this just fact they rest on their reputation, in this case with apple was it steve jobs? microsoft was it and is it could it be departure of bill gates, but to move on to other endeavors, that when the visionaries go it is just a matter of time before the company's attention goes. >> i think it is say question of who has got the cool stuff out there and case of 90s it of very clear, that microsoft was

hotter than a fire cracker. then came a long the ipod, and steve jobs led a sequence of things that were totally cool and at the edge. now, they seem to have lost that we have a new player on the block that looks like they may be coolest guy out there. neil: you know, it is always like a gadget hat people don't plan on, like a company is known in case of apple for a while, on like lightly more e expensive bt mere use or friendly computers then they break confirmty and goes into a whole new line of devices. might a dick tracy wrist watch type deal be that new coming or never be something that is expected, by that definition alone apple does not have it,

someone has something else. >> great marketing is about -- let me tell you, you need the sizzle, and you need to sell it properly, the technology today, is more in the consumer space as opposed to industry, you see company like microsoft, actually the heart of their business is with industry, the large still consumers who buy tens of thousands of the be it an operating system or office suite and the like where in consumer arena you talk brands and reputation, coolness, products that are unique that is what it is about. neil: yeah. you are well put thank y bob. >> te care, neil. neil: all right, normally we don't do this kind of show,ut i thought give than we were talking with to world's richest

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